Divorce is hard on any family, but for Kim Kardashian, it’s been especially tricky.

Since announcing their split in February 2021, Kanye West, the father of her four children, has routinely used social media to turn their domestic issues into public discourse. Kardashian, meanwhile, says she is trying to keep all the negativity away from her kids. In a new interview for the “Angie Martinez IRL” podcast, she opened up about having to pretend to be OK so that Ye can have a relationship with North, Chicago, Saint, and Psalm.

“I could be going through something, but if we’re riding to school and they want to listen to their dad’s music, no matter what we’re going through, no matter what is happening in the world, I have to have that smile on my face and blast his music and sing along with my kids and act like nothing’s wrong,” she told Martinez while recording at Kardashian’s office. “As soon as I drop them off, I can have a good cry.”

The Skims founder said that she’s in communication with her kids’ schoolteachers and knows that their classmates aren’t repeating gossip to the West youngsters. “None of the kids have ever said anything to my kids,” she claimed. Kardashian also explained that she tightly controls what media they consume, monitoring their Internet access and what’s shown on TV in her house. Her daughter North is the only one with social media, and it’s a TikTok account on Kim’s phone.

Becoming emotional, Kim Kardashian recalled that as a child of divorce herself, she had “the best dad” in the late lawyer Robert Kardashian and that all she wants for her kids are good memories of their own father. Still, co-parenting with Ye is “really f*cking hard.”

The full conversation is just under an hour long, but you can hear the shape-wear mogul opening up about motherhood starting around the ten-minute mark.